Home Hub 4000 bridge drops internet when using the full 3Gbps pipe

ninja0n3
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Hello,

I just spent the last 1h45 with a support rep and not any closer to finding a solution.

I'm curious to see if anyone else has experienced something similar.

Here is some context for reference: I have around 25+ yrs in IT/Infosec experience developing network infrastructures. I run a number of servers at home for both professional and personal reasons.

I currently have a 3Gbps Bell Fibe connection, this is running through the bridge port on the HH4k into an opnsense system using the 10G WAN port going into a 10G port on the firewall. The internet uplink is achieved using PPPoE (with Bell login info) on the 10Gb WAN port.
Up to here, everything works flawlessly:

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My speed tests on the opnsense box are consistently, which matches the modem speed tests. This shows I am able to access the full 3G most of the time, clocking at at around 3.2Gbps for download and 2.8-3.2Gbps on upload.

For professional reasons along my line of work, I wanted to download a fairly large data set from one of our private AWS S3 servers (using s5cmd to speed up the process, which is able to max out a 40Gbps connection if available). The download is done on a file server with a 10Gbps line plugged into a 10Gbps switch, which is also connected to the opnsense firewall (thus providing internet access).

The first time I did it, the download ran for about 7-10 min, then all of a sudden the entire connection dropped - The internet went down through the PPPoE uplink/bridge.

The uplink was showing green on both the modem and opnsense (both different PPPoE lines). I was seeing around 400-425Mb/s (roughly the full 3Gbps in download) during the download process until the drop (I was able to access the modem through a separate ethernet port on my system).

Two minutes later, the internet returned by itself without any action. When I attempted the process again and every attempt after, the download went for around 4-5min consistently then same thing, connection drop. 2 Min down, then back online.

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In my experience, this looks a lot like some kind of throttling or IPS/active defense blocking the connection after a certain sustained download threshold for size and time.

When I discussed this with 3 different reps, and after trying to explain the layout of the network, they kept insisting that I was having a hardware issue between the modem and the firewall. This was unlikely given I never lost connection to the upstream.

Eventually I managed to talk to someone from Level 2, which took another 30 min of explaining. After making me restart the modem 3-4 times, reboot the firewall and consistently encountering the problem 3-4 more times, he decided to contact his colleagues at SME Service, who were able to look at the packets and confirmed the connection was dropping.

The rep ultimately said that his SME Service colleague noticed the drops and mentioned the modem could be bad (noting that this is a replacement I received 3 days ago). They are shipping me a replacement.

After the call I attempted limiting the download bandwidth, to around 2.5Gbps on that download, but I encountered the same result.

I am not convinced another modem will make any difference; I feel like this is some kind of distribution center firewall/ips rule that blocks the kind of transfer that I need to perform at this point - This test transfer was around 500Gb, the full set is around 60Tb.

I'm not too happy with the fact that this is not working, especially since the rep kept repeating that there shouldn't be any limitations to bandwidth, duration or amount of data being transferred. This assumes I should be able to leverage the full pipe when available without restrictions.

I frequently transfer files around 10-15Gb without any problems at around 60-90Mbps. This issue is pretty strange.

I know this is a very particular use case, but I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing the same kind of issues that I am seeing with sustained full pipe transfers. Or if anyone could provide any insight on something config related that I could have missed that could be causing this problem.

Any thoughts, ideas appreciated.

Thanks!

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So basically I have to buy my own router to get the internet I pay for, is what you're trying to tell me here... Great, thanks Bell.

Vanadiel
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No, I did not say that. This thread is specific to using your own hardware.

Since I am assuming you are not using your own hardware, are you experiencing the dropouts on a wired, or a Wifi connection?

 

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I'm using their GIGA Hub modem, everytime I download a game of over 20GB it just shuts off completely. I've been in contact with them over 50 times now. I even tested it on multiple games, multiple platforms, internet just poofs, wired and Wi-Fi. 20GB file kills the net, 100MBps also kills the net.

No, actually even worse than that, bypassing does nothing to solve this particular issue. If someone had success bypassing, it is a coincidence or a separate problem.

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r33812119-

Fantastic.

dks
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@xenago wrote:

No, actually even worse than that, bypassing does nothing to solve this particular issue. If someone had success bypassing, it is a coincidence or a separate problem.

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r33812119-


That discussion is 16 pages and very technical. The conclusion there seems to be that the issue (saturation of a connection) is not a universal issue and has multiple potential causes.  

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xenago
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Yes, exactly. That's why I linked to a specific reply which explains that bypassing doesn't help. It is definitely not fun reading through the whole thread!

Vanadiel
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When this happens, can you log into the modem and perform a speed test from within the modem?

Home Hub Speed Test 

Just to verify if you indeed drop the internet connection completely, or if there's a potential other issue happening around the 20GB mark.

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I'll try that when I'm home and have time, I'm pretty sure I can still do the test however, but will confirm later tonight when I download another huge file.

My Internet connection drops whenever I try a larger download or sometimes for no apparent reason. I have used the online Bell diagnostic tool multiple times to no effect. Sometimes my TV reports 'weak signal". I tried the Bell speed test and it failed.  I think my Modem/Router is 15 or 20 years old.

What should I do to upgrade my signal so all my devices can use it reliably?

What is the model number of the modem? 15/20 years old seems to indicate an older installation, possible not a fibre installation?

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Home Hub 3000  

Perhaps it's a little younger than I thought it was but it's still subject to frequent intermittent lost connections.

If this is not fibre perhaps I should get that.

Sonia Brock

Which Fibe Internet package do you subscribe to? Fibe 50, 150, 500, etc. This information should be readily available to you on MyBell or on one of your monthly bills.

https://support.bell.ca/Troubleshooting_tools_and_Help/Internet

You mentioned trying a speed test & it failed to complete?  Did you try doing the speed test once again with nothing running in the background or being download? Are there any errors on your modem? Have you recently rebooted your modem?

https://support.bell.ca/internet/connection-help/troubleshoot_my_wi-fi_and_internet

If after reviewing the above information & you are still encountering issues, then I would contact Bell Fibe Tech support. They will be able to complete further testing & analysis. If your modem is defective they will replace it. Call: 1 844 310-SURF (7873)

FYI only. The Home Hub 3000 was released & put in to service by Bell in the fall of 2016. At best your modem might be 6-7 years old.

Thank you for contacting the Bell Community Forum.

Take care.

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My Fibe Internet package is 150.

On my main computer speed test runs fine at acceptable speeds. On my other backup machine the carrier drops when I try a moderately large download.  In other words my main computer does just fine on downloads and does not drop carrier.  My backup machine consistently drops carrier. I have to fix this because the hard drive on my main machine is beginning to fail.
To repeat main machine is fine for internet.  All other devices have connection dropped frequently. I have rebooted the modem multiple times which helps for a short while and then the dropped connection problem reliably reoccurs.
My backup machine where  the problem is most critical is a new 
Lenovo Legion Pro 5 Gen 8, and my 3rd machine is a smaller Lenovo Legion.

I believe I will have to have my modem replaced., as you suggested.