Giga Hub 2.0: PPPoE passthrough/2nd PPPoE session capped (average 330 Mbps) on 3 Gbps plan

Velaris
Contributor II

Hello,

I'm on a 3 Gbps plan and I'm seeing a repeatable/hard throughput cap only when using PPPoE on a downstream device (PPPoE passthrough / second session).

My setup:

- Bell Giga Hub 2.0
- Downstream router: UniFi Cloud Gateway Fiber (UCG-Fiber) connected to the Giga Hub 10G port

What works:

- If the UCG-Fiber WAN is set to DHCP (e.g. behind the Giga Hub 2.0/double NAT), I can reach full speed (~3 Gbps).
- If my PC is behind the Giga Hub 2.0 on DHCP, my PC (1GbE NIC) reaches the expected ~1 Gbps.

The problem (reproducible):

When I establish a PPPoE session from a device behind the Giga Hub, throughput is capped around ~300–330 Mbps.

Repro 1: PPPoE from UCG-Fiber

- UCG-Fiber WAN set to PPPoE using my b1 credentials
- Result: ~300–330 Mbps (repeatable), despite 3 Gbps plan

Repro 2: PPPoE from a Windows PC (bypassing UCG-Fiber)

- PC connected by Ethernet to the Giga Hub 2.0
- PC NIC: 1GbE, cable: Cat6A
- Created a Windows "Broadband (PPPoE)" connection using the same b1 credentials
- Result: same cap at ~300–330 Mbps (repeatable)

Because the same cap occurs even when PPPoE is established directly from a PC (*no* UniFi router involved), it points to the Giga Hub 2.0 PPPoE passthrough / secondary PPPoE session path rather than my router.

Can you confirm:

- Is this a known issue on the Giga Hub 2.0 (firmware-related)?
- Is there a firmware update or hardware replacement option to resolve PPPoE passthrough speed caps?

Thanks

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dks
Community All-Star
Community All-Star

Thanks for your comments. To be clear, this is a peer to peer forum. Community All-Stars simply inform users of Bell policies but have no input or influence on Bell’s technical decisions. Bell provides certain options for service. The forum supports those options but not others. Consumers can make choices based on their needs. I have a Giga Hub 2.0 and a pod. It is the solution which works for me but may not be what others want. Bell’s products meet my needs. They may not suit others, who might seek other solutions . 

I am a Community All-Star and customer. I'm here to help by sharing my knowledge and experience. My views on Bell and the Community Forum are my own and not the views of Bell or any of its affiliates.

dks,

Nobody suggested that Community All-Stars control Bell’s technical decisions.

The criticism is that you repeatedly step into legitimate customer complaints, not to acknowledge the problem or support improvement, but to explain why Bell’s decisions should simply be accepted.

Your Giga Hub 2.0 and pod work for you. Fine. Nobody is trying to take them away from you. Some of us are asking Bell to provide an additional option for customers who need or prefer a proper network handoff, can manage their networks better than Bell, can implement stronger security, and do not want Bell having visibility into the devices inside their homes.

Bell’s responsibility should end at the service demarcation point. My firewall, routing, Wi-Fi, devices and internal network are none of Bell’s business. Allowing Bell equipment or personnel to identify what devices I own is an invasion of privacy, regardless of whether vague authorization is buried somewhere in terms that almost nobody reads.

Saying that the forum “supports Bell’s options but not others” confirms the issue. That is not neutral peer-to-peer assistance. It is simply repeating Bell’s position and dismissing reasonable alternatives.

“Consumers can make choices” is hollow when the choices are to accept Bell’s locked-down gateway, tolerate reduced performance, buy expensive unsupported bypass hardware, or leave Bell entirely.

Even leaving Bell is not necessarily a meaningful alternative. Several competitors use Bell’s own fibre infrastructure yet are apparently unable to offer the same speeds Bell reserves for its direct customers. Whether that results from technical, wholesale or commercial restrictions, it raises an obvious question about how much genuine competition and customer choice actually exists on Bell’s network.

Since you acknowledge that you have no influence over Bell’s technical decisions, perhaps stop making excuses for those decisions and allow affected customers to press Bell for a proper solution.

That is something you should discuss with someone from Bell directly as this forum is a peer to peer forum to assist users with problems they might encounter with their service.

 

 

I am a Community All-Star and customer. I'm here to help by sharing my knowledge and experience. My views on Bell and the Community Forum are my own and not the views of Bell or any of its affiliates.

Vanadiel,

Then where, exactly, are customers supposed to provide meaningful feedback?

Calling Bell support is not a realistic answer. In my experience, frontline representatives read from scripts, have no authority to address policy or engineering issues, and often lack the technical knowledge required to understand them. During my last call, the representative did not even understand what DHCP was.

That is not meaningful technical support. It is a call centre designed to process routine issues. When the problem does not match one of the scripted answers, customers are transferred, disconnected or told that nothing can be done.

Bell provides no clear escalation path, no accessible engineering contact, no effective feedback channel and no meaningful way to challenge decisions such as refusing bridge mode or standalone ONTs.

When concerns are raised here, Community All-Stars tell customers to contact Bell. When customers contact Bell, support tells them nothing can be done.

That circular dismissal is precisely the problem.

dks
Community All-Star
Community All-Star

I am not sure I follow. Support exists for customers who use Bell equipment. Bell has never supported non-standard or custom equipment. Bell’s support deals with routine issues. It always has. It does not and can not deal with non-standard and policy issues. 

I am a Community All-Star and customer. I'm here to help by sharing my knowledge and experience. My views on Bell and the Community Forum are my own and not the views of Bell or any of its affiliates.

cclo
Contributor III

Look… if the Advance DMZ works as it should.  And if the bridge mode works as it should  on the modem. I pretty sure we DON’T need support!  Just as I did now with Telus!  Keep using that line over and over again to your pay customers,  I pretty sure that goes well.  Good night!

dks,

I am using Bell equipment. That is precisely the problem.

Bell’s own Giga Hub has documented bugs, unstable Advanced DMZ behaviour, inadequate PPPoE passthrough performance and no proper bridge mode. Bell refuses to fix those problems and refuses to provide alternative Bell hardware capable of delivering the service speeds for which customers are paying.

This is not a request for Bell to support or troubleshoot my firewall. I am asking Bell to provide a functional service handoff using equipment that performs to the advertised standard.

Instead of addressing that, Community All-Stars repeatedly recite Bell’s policies, make excuses for its limitations and tell customers to accept whatever “Ma Bell” has decided is best for them.

That is not support. It is unpaid corporate apologetics.

I pay Bell for a specific level of service. I expect Bell to provide it using functional Bell equipment or offer appropriate replacement hardware. Being told that everything is acceptable because Bell chose to design it this way does not resolve the problem, it aggravates it.

cclo,

Exactly.

If Advanced DMZ worked reliably, or Bell provided a functional bridge mode or standalone ONT, technically capable customers would not need Bell to support their equipment at all.

We are not asking Bell to configure, manage or troubleshoot our firewalls and networks. Quite the opposite: we want Bell out of our networks. We do not want Bell managing, controlling or having visibility into our personal equipment whatsoever.

Bell should provide support up to the service demarcation point, deliver the speed and reliability we are paying for, and then step back and allow qualified customers to manage their own networks.

Repeating “Bell does not support third-party equipment” avoids the actual issue. Bell’s own equipment and supported workarounds do not function properly. This is indeed a Bell issue, not a customer issue, and Bell needs to resolve it or start refunding money to customers who are not getting the service they have paid for.

Yeap pretty much what they kept doing.  We don’t support your own equipment ba ba ba!  I not asking you to support my equipment !  I asking YOU fix your Advanced DMZ and Bridge Modem on YOUR Bell Modem!  This is the attitude why I left Bell and went to Telus!  It works on the first day I got there modem!  Sure I missed the 3GB service.  But sure I didn’t miss this!  Thanks for encouraging me to be a loyal Telus customer!

I am not making excuses neither am I reciting Bell policies.

I am simply stating this forum is not designed to address the issues you are bringing forward. Your concerns are being read by Dell employees and put forward to the appropriate department(s) if needed.

I am a Community All-Star and customer. I'm here to help by sharing my knowledge and experience. My views on Bell and the Community Forum are my own and not the views of Bell or any of its affiliates.

cclo
Contributor III

I no longer have any issue.  I m with Telus now. Lol!

Vanadiel,

You may say you are not reciting Bell policies, but that is exactly what your replies have done: explain what Bell has decided to provide and why customers should accept it.

You now say this forum is not designed to address these concerns, while Bell’s frontline support is also unable to address technical design failures, product policy or privacy concerns.

So once again: where is the actual channel that is designed to address them?

Saying that Bell employees may read the concerns and forward them “if needed” is not a meaningful escalation process. Bell already knows its equipment has problems. Customers need accountability, status updates and a clear path to the departments capable of resolving them, not another vague assurance that someone may pass the message along.

These are not abstract complaints. Bell’s own equipment is failing to deliver the performance being sold, and Bell refuses to provide functional alternative hardware.

If this forum cannot address that and support cannot address it, then Bell has deliberately left customers with no effective avenue for resolution.

All available support options are accessible from the Bell support site: Bell support. 

If your concern(s) have not been resolved, there is an escalation option: Unresolved concerns. 

 

Going by your description of what you have tried so far, I think the escalation option would be the best choice. But it might not be a bad idea to use the general support options one more time just to be sure it needs to be escalated.

I am a Community All-Star and customer. I'm here to help by sharing my knowledge and experience. My views on Bell and the Community Forum are my own and not the views of Bell or any of its affiliates.

Vanadiel,

The “available support options” amount to running the same scripted tests again and offering to replace the Giga Hub 2.0 with another Giga Hub 2.0 suffering from the same design limitations.

That does not resolve broken Advanced DMZ, restricted PPPoE performance, the absence of bridge mode or Bell’s refusal to provide a standalone ONT.

Suggesting that I contact general support “one more time” before escalating only sends me through the same call-centre script again. I am already doing that now.

As I mentioned earlier, Bell sets an exceptionally low bar for technical support, and then they brings shovels to lower it further.

I will use the unresolved-concerns process, but customers should not have to repeatedly prove that frontline support cannot resolve an engineering or policy problem before Bell permits them to speak with someone capable of addressing it.

You selling an internet package like 3Gbs and 8Gbs packages.  Charging people over $100 a month.  And you expected people just plug a PC behind a bell modem???  People willing to pay that price and use that speed are mostly power users with their own servers and routers!  I m amazed that bell can get away with this “We don’t support your equipment” for years!  Again, I not asking Bell to fix my hardware! I m asking them to fix there DMZ and bridge mode on there own Bell’s equipment!  Another amazing part is.  I run this forum address: forum.bell.ca. but I don’t work for Bell… I work for Dell…,This is the greatest Jokes of all time!